Friday, January 16, 2009

Re: [MISP] Our response to Sunday's ABQ Journal Editorial

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> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:54:13 -0800
> From: info@DANCINGBEARGRAPHICS.COM
> Subject: Re: [MISP] Our response to Sunday's ABQ Journal Editorial
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> I'll throw my 2 cents in.
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> I think that the economic times have changed since the film program
> began 4 or 5 years ago. It is certainly time for a complete
> examination of the effectiveness of the program. And we, as film
> industry people, will have to deal with whatever the results may be.
> It may very well come out that despite some individual successes the
> overall effect of the program is negative or negligible.
>
> It was said many years ago in this forum that the government can only
> do so much to attract media business. It is up to the businesses and
> the industry to create a sustainable media industry in NM. This cannot
> and should not be built on the backs of taxpayers and the citizens of
> NM.
>
> And perhaps it is more cost effective to use the money to develop and
> train an entirely separate digital media industry, unique to NM.
> Instead of giving money SOLELY to film companies to come in, scout,
> shoot and leave; perhaps we should ALSO use some of that money to
> train and encourage local productions. Ones that don't make the
> splashy headlines.
>
> I was a NM resident working (or trying to work) in the post-production
> vfx industry. I moved to LA a little over a year ago for work.
>
> Jeff Baker
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> Thursday, January 15, 2009, 2:16:52 PM, you wrote:
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> EM> ***This is a MISP Listserv message. Responses are sent to the
> EM> list by default.******For more info about MISP and the listserv,
> EM> scroll to the bottom of the page****In addition to ReelzChannel
> EM> bringing a substantial number of jobs to NM, others from the
> EM> company will be moving to ABQ which ultimately end up bringing
> EM> more income to the state as well. As Chris Meyer mentioned: more
> EM> homes being bought here, more services being utilized, more taxes
> EM> being paid, etc.
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> EM> I got an email from someone from LA yesterday who said they
> EM> were offered a promotion with ReelzChannel as a Producer/Editor if
> EM> they were willing to move to ABQ with the company. They wanted my
> EM> opinion as to whether or not it would be a dead-end for them
> EM> (should they stay in LA), or are there opportunities here in NM
> EM> long term.
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> EM> While there are a lot of factors involved in making a
> EM> decision like that (life-style being one - large city vs. small
> EM> city), I am always out there in promoting our city. I think the
> EM> combination of the talent moving here, along with the talent that
> EM> already exists - and the upcoming talent from our higher-ed
> EM> programs in the state, are what's going to position us as a viable
> EM> alternative to LA in the long run.
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> EM> We've got to do what we can to make sure the film programs
> EM> don't get cut. Educating others on their value is one way to do so.
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> EM> elaine
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> EM> zocoloco | studios
> EM> motion conference
> EM> nm adobe user groups
> EM> adobe community expert
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> EM> On Jan 14, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Gene Grant wrote:
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> EM> Well said below. Here's another angle on the 'value' of the
> EM> incentive program. This is a bit out there, so bear with me.
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> EM> I'm looking at that front page Journal picture of the 2,500
> EM> who showed up for the reelzchannel gigs. There's something telling
> EM> in this situation. A soft metric if you will. Would these people
> EM> have chosen our city/state if the incentives and the resulting
> EM> activity never existed? I doubt it. But how does one
> EM> measure/quantify something like momentum?
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> EM> This is the missing piece in the study and hanging 'value' on
> EM> metrics like taxes. But again, how do you quantify this?
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> EM> Look, for all we know, there are other org's like
> EM> reelzchannel watching us quietly, having conversations in
> EM> boardrooms, forecasting plans for their future and Albuquerque or
> EM> New Mexico is on a white board with a question mark. My gut says
> EM> this is happening all over due to the economic situation, which in
> EM> a perverted sense benfits us.
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> EM> To anyone who watched the rise of places like the mainframe
> EM> era outside Boston in the 80's, Silicon Valley in the 90's, and a
> EM> few other examples, this feels very familiar. Momentum breeds
> EM> momentum for a lot of reasons. Competitors in a space like to be
> EM> within proximity of each other because it's a whole lot easier to
> EM> poach trained staff, for one reason. One more reelzchannel and
> EM> things are gonna pick up a ton of speed.
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> EM> But I go on. You get all that.
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> EM> Competing studies are all well and good, but it's a trap. My
> EM> sense is we'd all be well advised to widen the argument when
> EM> crunch time comes. I have this vision of a legislator waiving
> EM> paper in each hand, buying neither...shudder.
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> EM> Gene
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> EM> Quoting Rick Clemente <jrclem1@MAC.COM>:
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> >> The "results" of the Arrowhead NMSU study are just silly. They found
> >> that the state received only a 14% return on every dollar rebated to
> >> the film industry. Nonsense!  In order to qualify for the rebate the
> >> expenditure has to have been taxed here. The gross receipts tax rate is
> >> 6.75%. So for each $100 spent here the state has ALREADY collected
> >> $6.75. $6.75 is 27% of the $25 rebate. That's nearly double what the
> >> Arrowhead "study" reported.
> >> So if the economic multiplier effect is only 2X, i.e. that the money be
> >> spent twice again (and I haven't heard anyone suggest that low of a
> >> figure) the actual cash return to the state would be 81%. It does not
> >> require much in the way of sophisticated economic analysis to see that
> >> the people of New Mexico are profiting by continuing to fund one of the
> >> most successful economic incentive programs in the history of the state.
> >> While I agree with Doug that an investment in education does have
> >> beneficial returns, I would point out that the Movie biz is bringing in
> >> cash from elsewhere and creating jobs here. The tax payers are spending
> >> a lot of money EDUCATING  and training our young people for jobs in the
> >> Movie TV industry. If the incentive program is terminated there will
> >> be no such jobs available here, and some of our best and brightest will
> >> take their expensive education with them and go where there are such
> >> opportunities. That would be a sad thing.
> >> Rick Clemente
> >> Production Central ABQ
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 14, 2009, at 6:38 AM, Doug Bocaz-Larson wrote:
> >>
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> >>> Education doesn't return income to the state?  I have to disagree.  An
> >>> educated work force does return income to the state.
> >>>
> >>> We've spent a lot of time and money and drawing people in that take our
> >>> money out of the state again.  Creating and developing our own local
> >>> talent is the way to build a lasting positive impact on our economy.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you,
> >>> Doug
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, January 13, 2009 10:16 pm, Elaine Montoya wrote:
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> >>>> Well said. I hope these factors are being considered with the current
> >>>> evaluation of the film rebate program. It's really frustrating that so
> >>>> many people focus on the 'perceived' lack of benefits the industry
> >>>> brings to the state. Recently I received a survey from my state
> >>>> representative. One of the items stated that their was a short-fall in
> >>>> last years state income. It asked to list - in the order of preference
> >>>> - programs that should be cut-back. The film rebate program was one of
> >>>> them. When put side by side with education or programs for the poor, I
> >>>> think many will rank it high on their 'cut' list -not realizing that
> >>>> unlike the other programs, it returns income to the state. I have
> >>>> written to my senator in attempt to explain the benefits.
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe we are only to blame for not educating those who we interact
> >>>> with on a day to day basis, on how the film rebate program has helped
> >>>> our state.
> >>>>
> >>>> elaine
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> elaine montoya
> >>>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> >>>> zocoloco | studios
> >>>> motion conference
> >>>> nm adobe user groups
> >>>> adobe community expert
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 13, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Chris Meyer wrote:
> >>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> It would be interesting to know more about the metrics and
> >>>>> geographics being used in either report.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For example, those involved in the "post" industry are a very
> >>>>> different model than the production industry. In addition to gross
> >>>>> receipts and income tax, post people either rent storefronts or buy
> >>>>> larger houses to locate their businesses, on which they pay
> >>>>> proportionally more property taxes. We buy higher bandwidth telecomm
> >>>>> connections as well to get our jobs done. Both are recurring
> >>>>> expenditures; not one-time per job. We also buy expensive hardware
> >>>>> and software to do our jobs (which needs to be updated often - every
> >>>>> 18 months is common), generating both more gross receipts as well as
> >>>>> sales for support businesses. We have a higher probability of
> >>>>> engaging in more expensive training to learn our art. And to a large
> >>>>> degree, we can practice our art anywhere in the state, rather than
> >>>>> primarily in the Rio Grande corridor or in the immediate vicinity of
> >>>>> a shoot.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> None of this is meant in a negative way toward the production
> >>>>> industry, of course; they're the big dog, the headline grabber, and
> >>>>> the ones who have done most of the heavy lifting so far! Which only
> >>>>> adds to my curiosity about whether or not the different model of the
> >>>>> smaller post industry has also been taken into account when
> >>>>> calculating the final numbers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Chris
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> _______
> >>>>> \ Trish Chris Meyer/CyberMotion: Motion Graphics Design Effects
> >>>>> \ books videos: http://books.cybmotion.com
> >>>>> \ projects: http://projects.cybmotion.com
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