Friday, January 16, 2009

Re: [MISP] Our response to Sunday's ABQ Journal Editorial

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Now we need to circulate this study in New Mexico and the Arrowhead study
to other states.


On Fri, January 16, 2009 1:13 pm, Jon Hendry wrote:
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>> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:54:13 -0800
>> From: info@DANCINGBEARGRAPHICS.COM
>> Subject: Re: [MISP] Our response to Sunday's ABQ Journal Editorial
>> To: MISP-L@LIST.UNM.EDU
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>> I'll throw my 2 cents in.
>>
>> I think that the economic times have changed since the film program
>> began 4 or 5 years ago. It is certainly time for a complete
>> examination of the effectiveness of the program. And we, as film
>> industry people, will have to deal with whatever the results may be.
>> It may very well come out that despite some individual successes the
>> overall effect of the program is negative or negligible.
>>
>> It was said many years ago in this forum that the government can only
>> do so much to attract media business. It is up to the businesses and
>> the industry to create a sustainable media industry in NM. This cannot
>> and should not be built on the backs of taxpayers and the citizens of
>> NM.
>>
>> And perhaps it is more cost effective to use the money to develop and
>> train an entirely separate digital media industry, unique to NM.
>> Instead of giving money SOLELY to film companies to come in, scout,
>> shoot and leave; perhaps we should ALSO use some of that money to
>> train and encourage local productions. Ones that don't make the
>> splashy headlines.
>>
>> I was a NM resident working (or trying to work) in the post-production
>> vfx industry. I moved to LA a little over a year ago for work.
>>
>> Jeff Baker
>>
>>
>> Thursday, January 15, 2009, 2:16:52 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> EM> ***This is a MISP Listserv message. Responses are sent to the
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>> EM> scroll to the bottom of the page****In addition to ReelzChannel
>> EM> bringing a substantial number of jobs to NM, others from the
>> EM> company will be moving to ABQ which ultimately end up bringing
>> EM> more income to the state as well. As Chris Meyer mentioned: more
>> EM> homes being bought here, more services being utilized, more taxes
>> EM> being paid, etc.
>>
>>
>> EM> I got an email from someone from LA yesterday who said they
>> EM> were offered a promotion with ReelzChannel as a Producer/Editor if
>> EM> they were willing to move to ABQ with the company. They wanted my
>> EM> opinion as to whether or not it would be a dead-end for them
>> EM> (should they stay in LA), or are there opportunities here in NM
>> EM> long term.
>>
>>
>> EM> While there are a lot of factors involved in making a
>> EM> decision like that (life-style being one - large city vs. small
>> EM> city), I am always out there in promoting our city. I think the
>> EM> combination of the talent moving here, along with the talent that
>> EM> already exists - and the upcoming talent from our higher-ed
>> EM> programs in the state, are what's going to position us as a viable
>> EM> alternative to LA in the long run.
>>
>>
>> EM> We've got to do what we can to make sure the film programs
>> EM> don't get cut. Educating others on their value is one way to do so.
>>
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>> EM> elaine
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>> EM> elaine montoya
>> EM> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>> EM> zocoloco | studios
>> EM> motion conference
>> EM> nm adobe user groups
>> EM> adobe community expert
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>> EM> On Jan 14, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Gene Grant wrote:
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>> EM> Well said below. Here's another angle on the 'value' of the
>> EM> incentive program. This is a bit out there, so bear with me.
>>
>> EM> I'm looking at that front page Journal picture of the 2,500
>> EM> who showed up for the reelzchannel gigs. There's something telling
>> EM> in this situation. A soft metric if you will. Would these people
>> EM> have chosen our city/state if the incentives and the resulting
>> EM> activity never existed? I doubt it. But how does one
>> EM> measure/quantify something like momentum?
>>
>> EM> This is the missing piece in the study and hanging 'value' on
>> EM> metrics like taxes. But again, how do you quantify this?
>>
>> EM> Look, for all we know, there are other org's like
>> EM> reelzchannel watching us quietly, having conversations in
>> EM> boardrooms, forecasting plans for their future and Albuquerque or
>> EM> New Mexico is on a white board with a question mark. My gut says
>> EM> this is happening all over due to the economic situation, which in
>> EM> a perverted sense benfits us.
>>
>> EM> To anyone who watched the rise of places like the mainframe
>> EM> era outside Boston in the 80's, Silicon Valley in the 90's, and a
>> EM> few other examples, this feels very familiar. Momentum breeds
>> EM> momentum for a lot of reasons. Competitors in a space like to be
>> EM> within proximity of each other because it's a whole lot easier to
>> EM> poach trained staff, for one reason. One more reelzchannel and
>> EM> things are gonna pick up a ton of speed.
>>
>> EM> But I go on. You get all that.
>>
>> EM> Competing studies are all well and good, but it's a trap. My
>> EM> sense is we'd all be well advised to widen the argument when
>> EM> crunch time comes. I have this vision of a legislator waiving
>> EM> paper in each hand, buying neither...shudder.
>>
>> EM> Gene
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>> EM> Quoting Rick Clemente <jrclem1@MAC.COM>:
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>> >> The "results" of the Arrowhead NMSU study are just silly. They found
>> >> that the state received only a 14% return on every dollar rebated to
>> >> the film industry. Nonsense! In order to qualify for the rebate the
>> >> expenditure has to have been taxed here. The gross receipts tax rate
>> is
>> >> 6.75%. So for each $100 spent here the state has ALREADY collected
>> >> $6.75. $6.75 is 27% of the $25 rebate. That's nearly double what the
>> >> Arrowhead "study" reported.
>> >> So if the economic multiplier effect is only 2X, i.e. that the money
>> be
>> >> spent twice again (and I haven't heard anyone suggest that low of a
>> >> figure) the actual cash return to the state would be 81%. It does
>> not
>> >> require much in the way of sophisticated economic analysis to see
>> that
>> >> the people of New Mexico are profiting by continuing to fund one of
>> the
>> >> most successful economic incentive programs in the history of the
>> state.
>> >> While I agree with Doug that an investment in education does have
>> >> beneficial returns, I would point out that the Movie biz is bringing
>> in
>> >> cash from elsewhere and creating jobs here. The tax payers are
>> spending
>> >> a lot of money EDUCATING and training our young people for jobs in
>> the
>> >> Movie TV industry. If the incentive program is terminated there
>> will
>> >> be no such jobs available here, and some of our best and brightest
>> will
>> >> take their expensive education with them and go where there are such
>> >> opportunities. That would be a sad thing.
>> >> Rick Clemente
>> >> Production Central ABQ
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Jan 14, 2009, at 6:38 AM, Doug Bocaz-Larson wrote:
>> >>
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>> >>> Education doesn't return income to the state? I have to disagree.
>> An
>> >>> educated work force does return income to the state.
>> >>>
>> >>> We've spent a lot of time and money and drawing people in that take
>> our
>> >>> money out of the state again. Creating and developing our own
>> local
>> >>> talent is the way to build a lasting positive impact on our
>> economy.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thank you,
>> >>> Doug
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, January 13, 2009 10:16 pm, Elaine Montoya wrote:
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>> >>>> Well said. I hope these factors are being considered with the
>> current
>> >>>> evaluation of the film rebate program. It's really frustrating
>> that so
>> >>>> many people focus on the 'perceived' lack of benefits the industry
>> >>>> brings to the state. Recently I received a survey from my state
>> >>>> representative. One of the items stated that their was a
>> short-fall in
>> >>>> last years state income. It asked to list - in the order of
>> preference
>> >>>> - programs that should be cut-back. The film rebate program was
>> one of
>> >>>> them. When put side by side with education or programs for the
>> poor, I
>> >>>> think many will rank it high on their 'cut' list -not realizing
>> that
>> >>>> unlike the other programs, it returns income to the state. I have
>> >>>> written to my senator in attempt to explain the benefits.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Maybe we are only to blame for not educating those who we interact
>> >>>> with on a day to day basis, on how the film rebate program has
>> helped
>> >>>> our state.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> elaine
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> elaine montoya
>> >>>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>> >>>> zocoloco | studios
>> >>>> motion conference
>> >>>> nm adobe user groups
>> >>>> adobe community expert
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Jan 13, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Chris Meyer wrote:
>> >>>>
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>> >>>>> It would be interesting to know more about the metrics and
>> >>>>> geographics being used in either report.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> For example, those involved in the "post" industry are a very
>> >>>>> different model than the production industry. In addition to
>> gross
>> >>>>> receipts and income tax, post people either rent storefronts or
>> buy
>> >>>>> larger houses to locate their businesses, on which they pay
>> >>>>> proportionally more property taxes. We buy higher bandwidth
>> telecomm
>> >>>>> connections as well to get our jobs done. Both are recurring
>> >>>>> expenditures; not one-time per job. We also buy expensive
>> hardware
>> >>>>> and software to do our jobs (which needs to be updated often -
>> every
>> >>>>> 18 months is common), generating both more gross receipts as well
>> as
>> >>>>> sales for support businesses. We have a higher probability of
>> >>>>> engaging in more expensive training to learn our art. And to a
>> large
>> >>>>> degree, we can practice our art anywhere in the state, rather
>> than
>> >>>>> primarily in the Rio Grande corridor or in the immediate vicinity
>> of
>> >>>>> a shoot.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> None of this is meant in a negative way toward the production
>> >>>>> industry, of course; they're the big dog, the headline grabber,
>> and
>> >>>>> the ones who have done most of the heavy lifting so far! Which
>> only
>> >>>>> adds to my curiosity about whether or not the different model of
>> the
>> >>>>> smaller post industry has also been taken into account when
>> >>>>> calculating the final numbers.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> - Chris
>> >>>>>
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