Friday, January 16, 2009

Re: [MISP] Our response to Sunday's ABQ Journal Editorial

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I'll throw my 2 cents in.

I think that the economic times have changed since the film program
began 4 or 5 years ago. It is certainly time for a complete
examination of the effectiveness of the program. And we, as film
industry people, will have to deal with whatever the results may be.
It may very well come out that despite some individual successes the
overall effect of the program is negative or negligible.

It was said many years ago in this forum that the government can only
do so much to attract media business. It is up to the businesses and
the industry to create a sustainable media industry in NM. This cannot
and should not be built on the backs of taxpayers and the citizens of
NM.

And perhaps it is more cost effective to use the money to develop and
train an entirely separate digital media industry, unique to NM.
Instead of giving money SOLELY to film companies to come in, scout,
shoot and leave; perhaps we should ALSO use some of that money to
train and encourage local productions. Ones that don't make the
splashy headlines.

I was a NM resident working (or trying to work) in the post-production
vfx industry. I moved to LA a little over a year ago for work.

Jeff Baker


Thursday, January 15, 2009, 2:16:52 PM, you wrote:

EM> ***This is a MISP Listserv message. Responses are sent to the
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EM> scroll to the bottom of the page****In addition to ReelzChannel
EM> bringing a substantial number of jobs to NM, others from the
EM> company will be moving to ABQ which ultimately end up bringing
EM> more income to the state as well. As Chris Meyer mentioned: more
EM> homes being bought here, more services being utilized, more taxes
EM> being paid, etc.


EM> I got an email from someone from LA yesterday who said they
EM> were offered a promotion with ReelzChannel as a Producer/Editor if
EM> they were willing to move to ABQ with the company. They wanted my
EM> opinion as to whether or not it would be a dead-end for them
EM> (should they stay in LA), or are there opportunities here in NM
EM> long term.


EM> While there are a lot of factors involved in making a
EM> decision like that (life-style being one - large city vs. small
EM> city), I am always out there in promoting our city. I think the
EM> combination of the talent moving here, along with the talent that
EM> already exists - and the upcoming talent from our higher-ed
EM> programs in the state, are what's going to position us as a viable
EM> alternative to LA in the long run.


EM> We've got to do what we can to make sure the film programs
EM> don't get cut. Educating others on their value is one way to do so.


EM> elaine

EM> elaine montoya
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EM> On Jan 14, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Gene Grant wrote:

EM> Well said below. Here's another angle on the 'value' of the
EM> incentive program. This is a bit out there, so bear with me.

EM> I'm looking at that front page Journal picture of the 2,500
EM> who showed up for the reelzchannel gigs. There's something telling
EM> in this situation. A soft metric if you will. Would these people
EM> have chosen our city/state if the incentives and the resulting
EM> activity never existed? I doubt it. But how does one
EM> measure/quantify something like momentum?

EM> This is the missing piece in the study and hanging 'value' on
EM> metrics like taxes. But again, how do you quantify this?

EM> Look, for all we know, there are other org's like
EM> reelzchannel watching us quietly, having conversations in
EM> boardrooms, forecasting plans for their future and Albuquerque or
EM> New Mexico is on a white board with a question mark. My gut says
EM> this is happening all over due to the economic situation, which in
EM> a perverted sense benfits us.

EM> To anyone who watched the rise of places like the mainframe
EM> era outside Boston in the 80's, Silicon Valley in the 90's, and a
EM> few other examples, this feels very familiar. Momentum breeds
EM> momentum for a lot of reasons. Competitors in a space like to be
EM> within proximity of each other because it's a whole lot easier to
EM> poach trained staff, for one reason. One more reelzchannel and
EM> things are gonna pick up a ton of speed.

EM> But I go on. You get all that.

EM> Competing studies are all well and good, but it's a trap. My
EM> sense is we'd all be well advised to widen the argument when
EM> crunch time comes. I have this vision of a legislator waiving
EM> paper in each hand, buying neither...shudder.

EM> Gene


EM> Quoting Rick Clemente <jrclem1@MAC.COM>:

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>> The "results" of the Arrowhead NMSU study are just silly. They found
>> that the state received only a 14% return on every dollar rebated to
>> the film industry. Nonsense!  In order to qualify for the rebate the
>> expenditure has to have been taxed here. The gross receipts tax rate is
>> 6.75%. So for each $100 spent here the state has ALREADY collected
>> $6.75. $6.75 is 27% of the $25 rebate. That's nearly double what the
>> Arrowhead "study" reported.
>> So if the economic multiplier effect is only 2X, i.e. that the money be
>> spent twice again (and I haven't heard anyone suggest that low of a
>> figure) the actual cash return to the state would be 81%. It does not
>> require much in the way of sophisticated economic analysis to see that
>> the people of New Mexico are profiting by continuing to fund one of the
>> most successful economic incentive programs in the history of the state.
>> While I agree with Doug that an investment in education does have
>> beneficial returns, I would point out that the Movie biz is bringing in
>> cash from elsewhere and creating jobs here. The tax payers are spending
>> a lot of money EDUCATING  and training our young people for jobs in the
>> Movie TV industry. If the incentive program is terminated there will
>> be no such jobs available here, and some of our best and brightest will
>> take their expensive education with them and go where there are such
>> opportunities. That would be a sad thing.
>> Rick Clemente
>> Production Central ABQ
>>
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2009, at 6:38 AM, Doug Bocaz-Larson wrote:
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>>> Education doesn't return income to the state?  I have to disagree.  An
>>> educated work force does return income to the state.
>>>
>>> We've spent a lot of time and money and drawing people in that take our
>>> money out of the state again.  Creating and developing our own local
>>> talent is the way to build a lasting positive impact on our economy.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Doug
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, January 13, 2009 10:16 pm, Elaine Montoya wrote:
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>>>> Well said. I hope these factors are being considered with the current
>>>> evaluation of the film rebate program. It's really frustrating that so
>>>> many people focus on the 'perceived' lack of benefits the industry
>>>> brings to the state. Recently I received a survey from my state
>>>> representative. One of the items stated that their was a short-fall in
>>>> last years state income. It asked to list - in the order of preference
>>>> - programs that should be cut-back. The film rebate program was one of
>>>> them. When put side by side with education or programs for the poor, I
>>>> think many will rank it high on their 'cut' list -not realizing that
>>>> unlike the other programs, it returns income to the state. I have
>>>> written to my senator in attempt to explain the benefits.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe we are only to blame for not educating those who we interact
>>>> with on a day to day basis, on how the film rebate program has helped
>>>> our state.
>>>>
>>>> elaine
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> elaine montoya
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 13, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Chris Meyer wrote:
>>>>
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>>>>> It would be interesting to know more about the metrics and
>>>>> geographics being used in either report.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example, those involved in the "post" industry are a very
>>>>> different model than the production industry. In addition to gross
>>>>> receipts and income tax, post people either rent storefronts or buy
>>>>> larger houses to locate their businesses, on which they pay
>>>>> proportionally more property taxes. We buy higher bandwidth telecomm
>>>>> connections as well to get our jobs done. Both are recurring
>>>>> expenditures; not one-time per job. We also buy expensive hardware
>>>>> and software to do our jobs (which needs to be updated often - every
>>>>> 18 months is common), generating both more gross receipts as well as
>>>>> sales for support businesses. We have a higher probability of
>>>>> engaging in more expensive training to learn our art. And to a large
>>>>> degree, we can practice our art anywhere in the state, rather than
>>>>> primarily in the Rio Grande corridor or in the immediate vicinity of
>>>>> a shoot.
>>>>>
>>>>> None of this is meant in a negative way toward the production
>>>>> industry, of course; they're the big dog, the headline grabber, and
>>>>> the ones who have done most of the heavy lifting so far! Which only
>>>>> adds to my curiosity about whether or not the different model of the
>>>>> smaller post industry has also been taken into account when
>>>>> calculating the final numbers.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Chris
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