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I agree that lighting is an issue, but projection is as well. I can
project something locally and have it look great and then when I see one
of our projects in a festival, I freak because it looks all wrong. It
seems like everything is adjusted for one film and not all. Color
correction is a big issue too of course. I always try to get it right in
production because color correction is always a nightmare.
I think we did pretty well lighting wise and color wise with our latest
project. Jim encouraged me to share it. It is a sneak preview of the
longer project we're working on. I'd love to get feedback:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNDObphlXfc (short version - 4 minutes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amoYxbbyO28 (longer version - 6 minutes)
Thanks,
Doug
On Tue, December 9, 2008 8:37 am, Michael L Miller wrote:
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> Hi Jim et al,
>
> Thanks for the topic Jim. It's one of my pet peeves.
>
> Projection is definitely a problem, but it's not the main culprit. I
> lay it mostly at the feet of the filmmaker. The answer, whether it's
> film or any digital format is lighting. You must, no matter what your
> budget, understand lighting or bring on someone (DP/Gaffer) who does.
> Most of the films I saw would have improved immensely with a
> rudimentary understanding (and utilization) of the 3 point lighting
> terms key, fill and back lighting. A properly lit project will overcome
> a lot of poor projection.
>
> Unfortunately a filmmaker on a low budget will look at a location and
> say to themself, "There's enough light here" without knowing what it
> does in the environment and will end up with something that looks flat.
> It doesn't take much money to light a scene properly. It does take some
> knowledge. I'd recommend that anyone wishing to improve their product
> get on line and look up "Rembrandt lighting". Go to your local photo
> store and check out lighting books. They're cheap and will make sure
> you know how to make your images "pop".
>
> Mike
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> Jim Terr wrote:
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>> / (Response to Doug Bocaz-Larson response below)/
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>>
>>
>> Well, projection issues such as wrong aspect ratio is another story,
>> probably easily cured, but I'm wondering about this contrast thing. My
>> suspicion is just that there's no standardization of what a monitor
>> should look like, how it should be set / calibrated, so we get these
>> videos that look dull in a side-by-side comparison like a short video
>> fest.
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope you'll share your response (below) with the whole discussion
>> list, to generate discussion, so people won't think it's "just me."
>>
>>
>>
>> This video of yours looks good in terms of contrast, etc. The same
>> contrast/brightness problem, when it exists, will show up on YouTube
>> etc. but to a much smaller extent than in this theater projection
>> situation, in my experience.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: Doug Bocaz-Larson [mailto:dbocaz@nmsu.edu]
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 7:03 AM
>>
>> To: Jim Terr
>>
>> Subject: Re: [MISP] Contrast level of video productions
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>>
>>
>> We're dealing with all these issues so you hit the nail on the head.
>>
>>
>>
>> It is frustrating when we have projects at festivals and projection
>> isn't
>>
>> what we hoped for. It would be wonderful to have tips on how to help
>>
>> avoid this.
>>
>>
>>
>> We're trying to do low budget projects out our way. Usually we do silly
>>
>> stuff because low budget and B movie seem to be a good fit. We're
>>
>> currently trying something higher quality though. I'd love to get your
>>
>> feedback:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNDObphlXfc (Shorter version)
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amoYxbbyO28 (Longer)
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, December 9, 2008 5:17 am, Jim Terr wrote:
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>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Hey folks - I think I have a bona fide "Discussion" topic here, for
>> this
>>
>> > discussion group!!
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Background: I make it a point to attend all the screenings of local
>> shorts
>>
>> > I
>>
>> > can, at the NM Film Festival & Expo, Duke City Shootout, etc., because
>> as
>>
>> > one of the many people who hope to make a feature some day, I want to
>> keep
>>
>> > up on who the local actors and production people are, etc.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Setting aside issues of writing, acting and even "production," I've
>>
>> > noticed
>>
>> > a big problem in BRIGHTNESS AND CONTRAST of many local productions,
>> when
>>
>> > projected in theaters for these programs, compared to higher-budget or
>>
>> > "slicker" productions, from out of state or whatever. (I'd say it has
>> to
>>
>> > do
>>
>> > with the projection, but I've noticed this in several venues, and
>> have had
>>
>> > much chance to compare and "contrast.") The "local" problem I see is
>>
>> > relatively low contrast, and sometimes low brightness as well. Overall
>>
>> > effect: dull.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I've noticed this problem particularly in many of the otherwise fine
>>
>> > shorts
>>
>> > put out by the NM Film Intensive. I'm wondering what the problem is
>> here.
>>
>> > Are these films typically edited at some single editing facility,
>> whose
>>
>> > monitors are perhaps not calibrated the same as monitors elsewhere?
>> Are
>>
>> > they
>>
>> > perhaps cranked up a little in terms of contrast, so that the
>> resulting
>>
>> > videos are not sufficiently contrasty when shown elsewhere?
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I've often noticed that most of my own footage, even when it looks
>> good &
>>
>> > bright on the camera and in capture, has to be jacked up in terms of
>>
>> > contrast, when edited, to look good on my monitor, which is just my
>>
>> > computer
>>
>> > screen. But I do it, and the resulting videos always look to me
>>
>> > sufficiently
>>
>> > contrasty, when projected at these programs, relative to the best and
>>
>> > highest-budgeted-looking stuff at these programs.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > So what's the deal here? Does anybody have any thoughts? I'd
>> especially
>>
>> > enjoy hearing from some of the old hands who know something about
>>
>> > calibration, standardization, or whatever.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > ON ANOTHER ISSUE, the perpetual quest to make a very low-budget but
>> very
>>
>> > good feature, I saw a film at the SF Film Festival which re-enforced
>> my
>>
>> > belief that you can make a great feature for under $100k. This was a
>>
>> > California production called "RULE OF THREE", made for $50,000 as I
>>
>> > understand it, with contributions of $5,000 each from each of the
>> actors
>>
>> > involved, their families, etc. The trailer (which doesn't quite
>> capture
>>
>> > it)
>>
>> > is on YouTube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4T01XkpteY . My
>> YouTube
>>
>> > comment is below. I would love to bring the film and the filmmakers
>> here
>>
>> > for
>>
>> > a discussion of how you pull off a film this good for $50k. (I think
>> it
>>
>> > has
>>
>> > something to do with script and actors.)
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Jim Terr www.JimTerr.com
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Santa Fe, New Mexico USA
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Tel. 505-989-9298 "275,000 YouTube views - and
>>
>> > counting!"
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > < http://www.youtube.com/user/hymiehymie > hymiehymie (1 hour ago)
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Great, engaging film - just saw it at the Santa Fe Film Festival. A
>>
>> > "model"
>>
>> > for what a good film you can make on a very low budget ($50k), with
>> great
>>
>> > actors, good shooting, and a compelling, well-written script that
>> keeps
>>
>> > you
>>
>> > guessing. I have seen many films this year costing 100x more than
>> this,
>>
>> > that
>>
>> > were not as interesting. Congratulations to all involved!! But the
>>
>> > trailer?
>>
>> > "A room full of doom"? That sounds more like Dr. Suess, and does not
>>
>> > capture
>>
>> > the hip creepiness of this film.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
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